I want to talk for a moment about what happens when what you use to define "incarnation".
What is the process that each of you has followed, follows and will follow to cross the planes of existence up to the physical plane?
To do this I will use images, examples, and I want to clarify, first of all, that those images, those examples are not Reality, but they are artifices used to ensure that you can mentally construct an idea of Reality, an idea that is certainly wrong, approximate, wrong but which nevertheless contains the concept of what I most want to hold you back.
Everything starts with the Drop.
When it detaches itself from the Absolute, the Drop begins its journey that will eventually lead it to give life to a new physical body. To provide you with mental support I will suggest that you imagine this Drop as a snowball on top of a snowy mountain.
This snowball begins to roll down the mountainside and as it rolls on the snow it swells, swells and incorporates more snow crystals until it becomes an avalanche and eventually stops at the floor.
This is figuratively what the Drop does when, through the planes of existence, it goes towards the physical plane: it crosses the spiritual planes and in crossing them attracts to sé of the matter of these planes; then it crosses the akasic plane and attracts to itself matter of the akasic plane, then the mental plane and attracts to itself matter of the mental plane, the astral plane and attracts matter of the astral plane, the physical plane, finally, and attracts to itself matter of the plane physical… and a new life is ready to be born.
One may wonder why matter remains attached to this Divine Drop. This is because the Divine Drop is actually what could be called a center of attraction, with particularities very similar to what is called magnetism on your physical plane.
Indeed, let's stop for a moment on this problem: I want to specify that the magnetism that you know is only an effect and not a cause, so much so that science knows magnetism as an effect, but does not really know why this phenomenon occurs. beyond all the hypothetical speeches that scientists delight in making; this happens precisely because the primary cause of magnetic effects does not belong to the physical plane.
What happens on the physical plane is only an effect of what comes from other planes of existence.
This Divine Drop (imagine it, therefore, for the moment, similar to the magnet, selective according to the matter it is passing through) attracts to itself, as we have seen, the various materials of the various planes.
At the beginning of the cycle, at the beginning of theevolution, the matter that the Divine Drop attracts to itself is uniform, it is not structured, it can almost be said that there is a collection of matter in the various planes of a random type - although I remind you to be careful with this word, because in reality, there is never anything random.
It therefore attracts matter to itself in a "chaotic" way.
You will say: "But how does it happen that this matter collected in a chaotic way finally gives life to something that is not chaotic?".
This happens, first of all, because in reality the Divine Drop already knows what the path will be or what its emanation will accomplish through the planes, and knows that everything will happen almost automatically, or rather: just as it happens that the child just born is a largely shapeless, unstructured material, a material that little by little will take on its own precise connotation, its own personality defined through the clashes between his internal reality and his external reality, so it happens that also the other bodies that make up the individual through the clashes between his internal reality and his external reality, are structured.
That is to say, as the child lives, grows, desires, loves, the matter that makes up his astral body is gradually refined, making him more and more capable of desiring, of feel, to love; gradually as the child grows and refines his mind, through the stimuli that the environment sends him - stimuli that affect his mental body, making it gradually structure - and begins to receive, mentally understand always of more, so that a kind of circular exchange takes place between what happens outside and what happens inside the individual.
However, we are talking about a single life to make you understand how complex the example is and how many words we will have to spend to configure yourself to the bottom of which complex mechanism you belong: you must try to understand that each of you, to refine their bodies more and more - and not only the transitory ones, such as the mental, astral and physical, but especially the Akasic and the spiritual ones - it needs a certain number of incarnations.
You will have noticed that my speaking was limited only to the path of the Drop which comes to incarnate in a human body; this clearly led to a very extensive limitation of the concept of the walk of the Drop from the spiritual to the physical plane.
In reality, the discourse must be broadened further, because certainly all of you more or less know, because you are all more or less erudite on the subject, that this famous Drop through its path that leads it to the reunion with the Whole does not only succeed in giving life to a human body, but, before giving life to a human body, it goes through other stages of evolution.
Yep, other stages of evolution, it's certainly no surprise though io I affirm to you this evening that each of you before being a human being, in the course of your evolutionary path, was an animal: this does not mean that some of you, currently, cannot yet behave like an animal, of course; and it is not even a surprise if I affirm that before you were an animal each of you was a plant, and again that before you were a plant it was a mineral; it was therefore a different form of life that invests the whole physical world that you know.
Those who are most reluctant to accept this condition will certainly think that affirming that a mineral can be part of an evolutionary path is rather risky, as by observing a mineral it is clearly seen, apparently at least, that it is not a form of life because it is not a form of life. it has none of the attributes you usually give to living beings.
Yet I tell you, creatures, that this is not the case, if you take, for example, a crystal and immerse it in a supersaturated solution, you will see that little by little this crystal acquires other parts of matter, and as science knows very well , he does not buy it casually, but according to very specific directives that lead him to an overall orderly growth.
This seems to me, creatures, a clear indication that in reality, the crystal, apparently so lifeless, instead has its own evolutionary path to follow, because if this were not the case, its moment of form and matter would be completely disorganized and random, which it is not.
It is evident, creatures, how at this point we must come to the conclusion that everything in creation has its own evolution, its own path to follow, and that everything is so perfectly organized, with attention to the smallest details that completely exclude the fact that everything is left to chance, by chance, but rather this order, this organization implicitly presupposes the idea of a divinity - even if very different from the anthropomorphic image that each of you can possess - that regulates and encompasses the whole universe in itself. Scifo
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okay ... if we remain in the context of a single earthly life ..... for me ... it makes no sense to reincarnate if with death we are already in the fullness of life
What kind of "memory" do we carry of these experiences if then as humans we are capable of animal abuse or destruction to nature? The discourse of the evolution of consciousness is certainly clear but, we should also have understood something from this pre-incarnation evolutionary cycle ...
x Bruno: "... it makes no sense to reincarnate if with death we are already in the fullness of life"
What you say is not correct.
First of all due to the fact that after death there is no fullness of life because, having failed the physical body, there is no longer the completeness of those lower bodies which are used by the embodied to experience in the most structured possible understandings already reached and to understand which ones are still to be perfected.
Reincarnation is indispensable precisely to allow the individuality that incarnates to confront itself with its limits of understanding and to allow it to try to overcome them with the new shades of understanding that are inscribed in its body of consciousness with each new immersion in life. physics.
x Nadia; “What kind of“ memory ”do we have of these experiences if we as humans are capable of animal abuse or destruction to nature? The discussion of the evolution of consciousness is certainly clear, but we should also have understood something from this pre-incarnation evolutionary cycle ... "
Unfortunately, memory alone (and, therefore, knowledge) is never enough to change one's personal relationship with reality, but it is also necessary to achieve understanding, otherwise our position is based on declarations of intent which, however, are not almost never translated into real behavior because it is not supported by an adequate feeling.
Thanks for this clarification.
It is clear, thanks Scifo and thanks to the members of the CI for providing us with these materials weekly.
It is clear and it seems to me that it appears evident how difficult it is (the effort of the Guides is commendable!) To translate concepts that go beyond the conceptual into a language.
Little by little, understandings unfold.
For Nadia: knowledge is interrupted by the law of oblivion that intervenes with each new incarnation. However, if the Akasic body is sufficiently structured, it is to be assumed that certain behaviors such as eg. the ill-treatment, are no longer practicable.
It is also true, however, if I have understood correctly, that one reincarnates not with the entire baggage of feeling acquired by the Akasic body, but with the portion of this that is most to be worked on.
This puts the concept of evolution in a bit of a crisis since the whole feeling accumulated in the various lives is not available to the incarnate, it could, abstractly, implement less evolved behaviors than in the past ...
Thank you.
x Samuele: “… It is also true, however, if I have understood correctly, that we are reincarnated not with the entire baggage of feeling acquired by the Akasic body, but with the portion of this that is more to work.
This puts the concept of evolution in a bit of a crisis since the whole feeling accumulated in the various lives is not available to the complexion, it could, abstractly, implement less evolved behaviors than in the past ... "
What you say about the baggage of feeling is not exactly correct because the question is much more complex and involves both feeling and the new lower bodies that the individual has available at each incarnation.
Simplifying as much as possible, the individual is always incarnated having at his disposal (as on the other hand it is logical because the acquired feeling cannot be set aside) the entire feeling accumulated in his evolutionary path.
Feeling, however, in order to manifest itself within the physical plane, needs to use the lower bodies of the incarnate and it is precisely in this passage that it can happen that the individual's feeling does not manifest itself in its entirety because, perhaps (and this happens due to the individual's evolutionary need to experience certain sectors of his misunderstanding), he has lower bodies at his disposal that are not entirely predisposed to let the individual's real feeling come to the surface.
In other words, the structural limits of the lower bodies can limit the expression of the feeling of the complexion ... I hope I made myself understood!
This fact, however, does not undermine the concept of evolution: it should not be forgotten that the enlargement of feeling occurs by elements or by sectors, not by all the components of feeling at the same time, and thus " momentary evolutionary peaks that widen, however, the structure of feeling and, therefore, advance the evolution of the individual who is experiencing the incarnation thanks to the encounter / clash with the experiences that are presented to him.
Clear message. Luck, misfortune, chance do not exist. It is all part of a path that is useful for evolution and for the individual.
mah .... guys .... all this reincarnation of which you are convinced ... .. since man has existed, is it possible that one is not yet complete? surely there is some other explanation ... ... perhaps the closest to the concept is alberto and it is similar to my thought that evolution continues after physical death, without, for me, needing to return to earth
xBruno
You could also be right but many things would remain incomprehensible, for example that there could be a need to have even one life if, so much the evolution goes on outside the incarnation. And, therefore, what meaning could be given to life?
If you have the answers, they might give us a different perspective!
hi gian .... I'm not the one to give you the answers (hee hee hee is part of evolution) ... .. someone said 2000 years ago that we are made for the infinite (simplifying) so in the infinite a part is alive there 'other is dead (as we understand it humanly) but we are alive (meant alive) forever ... .. for me the sense of reincarnation fails
xBruno
In my abysmal littleness I must admit that I have not in the least understood what you mean and what are the logical assumptions that lead you to dismiss the idea of reincarnation.
Perhaps, if you answered my question about what sense could be given to life as an alternative to the complex teachings of the Guides that include the concept of reincarnation as an indispensable logical support for understanding the evolutionary path of man, we could discuss in a more useful way.
x gian ... it's not that you are small you just don't want to understand ... ..if I am already on a journey into infinity (or eternity, call it whatever you want) for me it makes no sense to reincarnate everything here ... ..reincarnating would only have the purpose of wasting time (I don't remember the period when I was stone ... .. tree ... to be) I remember that when I was little, boy, adult made sensations teachings led to being what I am now and when I die it will be just a passage to unimaginable but created things just for us, logically you try to buy time to get ready for the after… .but if I had to go back, what sense would my preparing me for?… what then? if I were to be reborn as a cat …… screwed up… ..we can remain very well in our convictions 🙂
As you say "we can remain very well in our convictions".
One curiosity that remains for me is to understand what you are doing here with us ...
gian every now and then you have something that if interpreted "correctly" .... it can ... be useful ... ... a friar told me that you have to be like bees ... ... they do not disdain any flower ... .. your "... with us ... . " anyway… beer 🙂 let's evolve
Fundamental, I believe, to remain open, to be ready to die to ourselves, to our ideas, beliefs and convictions, only the identity needs to be right, to emerge, to have its say, to feel superior, to have the last word ... work very tiring and often unsuccessful!
In a profound, incredibly free and moving conversation with an expert Bilblist priest, whom I respect very much, it turned out that reincarnation was not excluded from the ancient Christian view, but that it has been lost from translation to translation, more or less conscious omission or substitution. over the time. Certainly we did not speak of a fontomatic little personal soul that passes from life to life, "wasting time" precisely, but of the Creative Spiritual Principle which, by choosing to place itself within certain limits (various lives), experiences the world and therefore of itself. Arguments difficult to explain, which I myself find it difficult to report, but that conversation took place in a channel of Feeling, which no concept can adequately express but only the absence of mind can bring about.
sandra far from me the idea of wanting to be the one with the last word, but only to deepen and better explain my thoughts I propose this writing
https://www.studibiblici.it/conferenze/I_VIVI_NON_MUOIONO_Maggi.pdf if anything, look for it in google
“…… .This is why the concept of reincarnation is absolutely incompatible
with the message of Jesus and absolutely cannot put the two
things together pollute one and the other; hence the idea of reincarnation
he has no right of citizenship in Christian spirituality, we have eternal life
we do not deserve it for our efforts, but it is a free gift that God gives us. ... .. "
maybe it's the opposite of what you think / think gian .... but surely another point of view .... feel free
For Bruno.
I see you are passionate about this subject, Bruno, good for you.
For me it is an acquired fact, one of the tools to interpret life, and since it belongs to the register of my mind, I am not interested in any particular interest.
When, in my rather solitary life, I happen to meet someone, my inner disposition places what we have in common at the center of the encounter, and tries to leave on the sidelines what possibly divides us, or can do so.
By doing so, not feeding the mind which is very often an element of division and separation, I can approach the inner world of the other and make part of mine available.
Thus the encounter becomes a celebration of life, as small and minute as you want, but a celebration of living, of encountering, of dancing between sensibilities, beliefs, points of view, existential breaths.
I do not ask the other to share my thought and, to be honest, I am not very interested in knowing his thought, aware that the thought is only a fragment of the other's being: if I want to meet him, and I want it, I meet him. on the level of feeling, beyond opinions and thoughts, beyond sympathy and antipathy.
To meet him on the level of feeling I need not to be a prisoner of my ideas, nor to be conditioned by the reaction to his ideas: I need to be free from the cognitive and emotional level.
Then and only then does the authentic meeting take place, between children of God, between feeling that they know and experience that the separation that the senses and minds-identities denounce, in feeling is overcome.
Of course there are also situations in which I want to discuss the opinions of the other, what he thinks of a certain fact, what interpretation he cultivates: if I compare myself to the political and social situation, about certain existential experiences and their symbolic reading - only to give examples - I cannot fail to observe and carefully consider what my mind and that of the other say.
But, even at this level of relationship, I will look for what divides us, or, while communicating my vision, I will keep open my availability for a profound encounter so that it is not an opinion, an interpretation that builds a wall between us, wall that I know does not exist in the Real and lives only in my representation?
My opinion, and that of the other, are nothing other than the fruit of our understandings and misunderstandings, therefore my first duty is to relativize my every reaction and to guard myself against any judgment that arises.
In the spiritual sphere, the relationship becomes very delicate: what can we say about the inner world of others?
Why does a person cultivate a certain practice, a certain philosophy, a certain belief?
If he does not harm others, and if he thinks he is benefiting from it for himself, for his own life path, can I discuss his faith, his belief?
Here discretion and respect become the inner movement that modulates the relationship.
Sorry admin I came to the tavern bringing some wine, I had to know that the innkeeper has the best wine, you haven't even considered my wine you continued to pour me yours, but I'm sure, it's in nature that it was given to us, you also have the good one in the cellar
You felt attacked, I'm sorry that it was my observations that favored this, but clarity is important, I'm sorry but we have the responsibility of each of us we cannot remain on the top of the hill to proclaim, be sure to be able to count on the other, on us. I am thinking of my responsibility to live if it is really appropriate to insist on certain topics and when it can be let go.
we all have our times of maturation, every thing dictates every gesture even if it is not understood immediately they have their own explanation. I realize that your beliefs have developed over a long period of time and are so ingrained that words are now part of you that some remain words without explaining their meaning. "human" death is a fucking blow for anyone it is a deep pain that no one can escape and normal to move the problem to other things you take advantage of a negative event to block an inner development. hearing others listening to them get excited is important and the more we authorize ourselves to hear, the better we are also in this part of life. with discretion and respect