Lately, science is becoming more and more actively involved in genetic research; you will say: "What does this have to do with freedom?", but you know that your friend Scifo always tries to bring new arguments and points of view ...
In fact, this liberty-related discourse of genetics has a fairly important point of contact within what we are trying, simply, roughly, to tell you this evening.
Therefore, in the course of genetic research it is now known that the physical body of the individual is born through the combination of certain factors that are predisposed in some way already from birth, from conception; It is precisely in recent times the discovery - now practically given for certain - that genetic chains not only give the physiology, forms and type of body that the individual possesses but, in reality, have already included the font, the personality, the tendencies that the individual possesses in the course of his life; so they have already mapped his behavior and psychology.
This, if you think about it, is quite shocking from the standpoint of individual freedom; don't you think, creatures?
Without a doubt, the fact of having physical, physiological needs conditions and limits your freedom. Imagine how much it conditions and limits having behavior and psychology already pre-established from the moment of conception!
This should lead to the assertion that the embodied individual actually has no freedom.
What do you think about it? Courage…
D - In the small choices, but it cannot affect the experiences that must be made. I seem to understand this.
D - Has some basic conditionings - io I believe - due to the experience he will have to face, and therefore his bodies are made up in a certain way. Therefore his freedom lies in going beyond his limits, in his growth, in his advancement. It is therefore an interior freedom, in fact; not an external freedom to be manifested in the midst of others. An inner freedom, of inner choices.
Q – I think that man cannot have absolute freedom, but I think he has very strong conditioning; I think that the path we travel during our earthly experience is traced upstream. In practice, I think it is a bit the result of other mechanisms that we ourselves have triggered in previous events, linked to previous lives and, consequently, we present here today, I think we have a very limited, almost apparent freedom, if I miss the deadline.
Therefore the individual embodied on the physical plane is nothing else - it could be said - that the effect of a cause that goes back further, in the chain of causes and effects that led to the manifestation of that individuality - once again - within. of the physical plane.
This can only mean that, in reality, the embodied individual does not possess real freedom on the physical plane, and does not possess it even on the astral plane or even on the mental plane.
It certainly does not possess it, since if it is true - as it is true - that the character of a person is already in some way fixed, predestined within his body at the moment of conception, it is also evident that in order to manifest this character, these problems that the individual needs, in order to manifest his sensitivity and so on, his astral body and his mental body must necessarily be prefixed and therefore adapted to these needs of the individual.
Therefore, freedom must be placed - as you said - outside the lower bodies.
Freedom - on closer inspection - can be referred to as the capacity for expression of feel, of his feeling, on the part of the individual.
This means that the "problem of freedom" then moves to the level of consciousness, to the Akasic level, and that the individual's possibility of being free does not depend on anything other than whether or not he has reached a certain evolution, a certain 'feel': the more the individual will have an enlarged feeling, the greater his possibility of being free, of expressing himself freely within the reality in which he is experiencing. Do you understand this concept?
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D - It seems that it can be interpreted in different ways, as has been said, sorry, Scifo. It seems to me that it means that the highly evolved individual does without going to the office or, if he does, then he commands.
No, I said quite differently.
I said: “the more the individual has evolved, the more he is free to express his feelings”, not to do what he likes best, according to the impulses of his own ego.
The speech is different.
D - I was confused, hearing "on the physical plane".
If the individual has a good evolution, it gives him relative freedom within the physical plane because he is able to express what he truly feels.
Remember that when the individual expresses himself his feeling is always free, there is no compulsion; so much so that we always say that when you do something that follows your feelings, that you help someone, you do it spontaneously, without thinking about it, without even realizing it, sometimes without even realizing it after doing it!
D - I think that the greatest difficulty of the individual lies in coming to understand what his behavior must be during the physical experience, because he has to carry on a hard and heavy experience and, if he does not understand it, tragedy is added. to tragedy because a heavy experience, lived with anguish, does nothing but double its weight. So, if one does not come to understand, and if the Guiding Spirit - or you who guide us - somehow do not intervene, do not help us, it is clear that the individual rarely comes to understand his or her state, what to do and what to do. how he must live his own experience.
I would not agree on this personally, as the individual goes through painful and difficult experiences - especially difficult to face - precisely because they are necessary for his understanding, according to his understanding, and, however difficult they may be to accept and understand, they are necessary for him and therefore he must come to understand beyond the help he can receive or not.
If the difficult experience presents itself to him it is because his feeling is at such a point of evolution that that experience "can" make him understand something.
Certainly, he must win a fight with his own ego, with his needs ... what do I know: with external conditioning, with what he sees around him. sé; however, all this is necessary, he needs to understand.
D - Yes, but I can give you some practical examples, which perhaps help us to understand better. I know of individuals who are equivalent from a physical point of view, that is, as a physical structure, both as an intellectual and cultural value and who live the same experience, but these two individuals - compared - live this experience in a totally different way: one the he lives with anguish and the other lives it by raising himself with reasoning, trying to understand. Here, how can this knot be untied? In other words, these two individuals who are roughly equivalent but cannot reach the same conclusions ...
You see, perhaps the important point to bear in mind is that there is never an individual with the same precise evolution and feeling as another individual.
Beyond what may be the physical or intellectual appearances of people, however similar they may be physically or have the same culture, the same knowledge and so on, it is absolutely not certain that their degree of hearing is the same.
And a case like the one you exemplified could simply mean that an individual has amajor evolution with respect to the other, therefore already has some of the answers, and this part of the answers gives him the possibility to face the same experience that the other faces with pain, with suffering, with torment, in a more serene and calmer way because he “knows” inside that he can face and overcome the situation.
D - Here, but the two experiences: one lived with pain but without understanding, and the other lived trying to understand ... "
Without understanding ”is a concept you use often, and usually refers to his understanding mentally. You are used to seeing a person in a difficult situation, who seems not to understand and who suffers, and you cannot understand why he is suffering (because perhaps you judge his suffering as a foolish thing, given the problem he is suffering for) ...
D - I, by "understand" I mean, the elevation, the approach to the awareness of the Self.
Of course, I mean that too.
So much so that I meant that understanding, understanding, is something that goes beyond mental understanding.
The mind may not even realize that feeling, which the Akasic body has understood.
It is absolutely not certain that the embodied individual realizes that he has understood something. Scifo
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Freedom not as free will, but as the ability to express one's feelings within the physical plane.
When we understood existentially that life is a workshop in which we enter every day to learn and broaden our feelings; when we understand that we are "centers of consciousness and expression"; then we begin to be free.
Freedom as a free flow of oneself: no in spite of one's conditionings, but through and thanks to them.
Thank you.
It is clear to me that freedom is the free flow of oneself, when action flows smoothly and choices are no longer choices but Tout-court actions. On the other hand, it is not clear to me that freedom is the expression of the feeling of conscience when a given evolution has been reached. Also in this case, freedom is conditioned by the experiences to be made, so freedom is always very relative. This confusion will clear up for me.
thank you
Freedom to express yourself
We let it settle because at the moment nothing arises ...
Some difficulties…. To reread calmly
I think this post is a useful answer to a question posed by RdE some time ago and on which we debated.
What strikes me, like others, is the definition of freedom, as the free flow of Feeling.
As we get rid of identity weights, which we recognize in our emotions or conditioning for example, the action that arises is an expression of Feeling. The stimulus that the Conscious sends is cleaner, the intention clear, the effect coherent.
It is not from the outside, therefore, that I am granted freedom, but from the state of my alignment.
Very interesting.
Therefore, in becoming, freedom is only an illusion. 🙂
Imprinting, the characteristics with which we come into the world, physical and psychic that are functional to our learning, I do not read them as conditioning but more neutrally as tools that are provided to us for our evolutionary path.
Freedom lies in how I use these characteristics to broaden awareness and open the heart.
And suffering measures the understanding of processes and their acceptance.
The concept is very clear.
Freedom, as described, at a certain evolutionary point is like oxygen that can no longer be renounced under penalty of death.
I take the concept of relativity again. There is no absolute freedom, or ideal of freedom to achieve. There is that degree of deconditioning that allows a vibratory flow between the various planes of free circularity.
A flow which will obviously be characterized by the specific constituents of the planes themselves and which will cause unique and unrepeatable manifestations
Thus regardless of the peculiar specific characteristics of each individuality, everyone can be free by manifesting this state in an original way, thus giving voice to the expression of a part of absolute feeling.