D - How can you do for feel this guiding spirit?
Look at the guiding spirit, precisely by its nature, for the need to carry on its work, it is very difficult to manifest itself to the person who is helping, and it would perhaps take too long to explain the reasons that somehow date back to certain magical beliefs of antiquity, of knowing the person's name and of the power you can have over this person ..
Let's take an example: you have little evolution and you somehow manage to know the name of your guiding spirit, the name is a vibration, and through your desire by repeating this name you could disturb, somehow annoy your guiding spirit which, then, would no longer be able to carry out what it it is his main job, which is to guide you. So the guiding spirit hardly really presents itself to the person he is helping.
It can happen in cases where the person who is leading is particularly evolved and has such serenity, tranquility that this contact with the spirit guides does not become a reason of his life, makes the spirit guide that entity to which every pain, to every suffering, to every moment of need and so on, we have recourse, we call, we shout, we storm until the guiding spirit does not say something. Georgei
Wrong conception of the evolution and usefulness factors of the techniques
Q - In my opinion, being able to get in touch with your own thinner bodies you get to improve yourself. Now I wanted to know if doing it there is a very strong evolutionary shift and then ...
One moment. Meanwhile, she explains to everyone what you mean by saying "get in touch with the subtlest bodies". Georgei
D - That is ... I know that you have also often said that at any moment of our life on the physical plane there could be those few moments of greater feeling in which we connect with other bodies. If there is an average of 100 incarnations and if io I'm in my fiftieth birthday, managing to have these connections somehow do I evolve to the point of reducing the lives in which I should reincarnate?
To begin with, there are some misconceptions of yours because it is not a question of getting in touch with these subtle bodies as contact occurs almost automatically when understanding occurs; it's not that you say: well, today I'm trying to get in touch… understanding is needed because without this nothing will happen. You could use techniques they say, it is assumed that they can help do this thing. This is a big mistake because it is evident that if the feeling is not ready, if there are no certain germs of feeling, it is not possible to force the feeling and connect with these parts of feeling not yet organized: for this to happen it is necessary that the feeling has reached a point where connection is possible.
Now, using certain techniques that are in fact touted as evolutionary means and so on, one does nothing but try to strain the feeling. What is the consequence?
It is that very often (since one cannot have a feeling different from what one actually has and one cannot force a feeling otherwise, precisely because of being eventually forced, it would obviously not be a feeling, then the individual deludes himself, he creates his beautiful illusions: he deludes himself that he is very evolved, he deludes himself that he has become very sensitive, a great psychic, a guru and so on.
That is why so often the various masters advise to be careful with the techniques: certainly it is possible to help the relaxation, concentration and so on, but don't believe all those who promise you an evolution because evolution cannot give it to you, absolutely!
Returning to what we were saying, undoubtedly it is not possible to force the connection with the bodies: this can only be done when the time has come to do so. I will say more: many of those who participate in these meetings think they are facilitated to be able to evolve, but it is absolutely not true, it is just an illusion! Of course, coming to these meetings you may have the opportunity to understand what are the dynamics that lead to evolution and so on, but remember that even the apparently most ignorant and closed in on person person, who lives perhaps in the countryside, in the midst of sheep and without contact with others it can evolve like the others and it is not said that, perhaps, it does not have a greater evolution than all of you who are present here tonight. So remember that the possibility of participating in these meetings is absolutely not a possibility to evolve different from that which all the others have, it is only one possibility among the many available to improve and change oneself. Georgei
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D - Okay, we can't practically know where our understanding is, but assuming we were ready ...
But this is exactly what you don't want to understand: it doesn't matter that you manage to know at what point your understanding is because in this way you reason in terms of the I: it is not you, like the I, who have to understand, but it is something that it lies beyond, and you, perhaps, will never even realize that you have understood! Georgei
D - But there is something that makes us understand when you are ready for this connection ...
But it is not certain: you could be in the last incarnation and not even notice it. How could you tell? Others could perhaps notice it, observing you, if they were sensitive enough to notice how different you are from others, but usually this does not happen, because others always look for negative data in the people around them, so it is difficult for one to notice if the person is very evolved indeed, very often when a person of average evolution meets an evolved person he notices his diversity and since everything that is different is "inferior" to what is known, this person is not considered beautiful but full of problems that cannot be specified. Georgei
D - But I think that a very evolved person realizes that he no longer has certain limits, that he has overcome certain selfishness ...
But it is not said: if you understand something, for example that if you see a person in difficulty you have to help him, when you have reached this feeling you will help every person you see in difficulty or in need of help, but it will be so spontaneous. which will be a natural thing, like eating: you don't think about why you eat, you just do it because it is natural, spontaneous. You will never think: I am helping that person because I have reached an excellent point of evolution. On the contrary, if that thought comes to you, it means that what you are doing hides and masks your selfish motive.
You will think: here, poor things, we must do all this and not even have the gratification of noticing it! Aside from the fact that there is no need for gratification in these things, everything you acquire already leads you by sé a well-being: the fact of reaching a feeling eliminates many possibilities of suffering and this is already enough, but the awareness of what you really are you will be able to have it after abandoning the physical plane and the ego planes, so when you manage to arrive on the plane Akasic with your well-structured Akasic senses, a beautiful well-made Akasic body and you will find yourself in communion with others, here, there, at that point, you will realize that you have reached a good evolution, because without that you will arrive on the Akasic level and you would fall asleep suddenly and then find yourself on the physical plane. Georgei
Q - Can a seer who can see bodies up to the seventh be aware of the evolution of the individual who is in front of him?
Apart from the fact that very few are able to do it, no doubt the person who has this possibility can realize the evolution of the person in front of him. Georgei
Q - The seer who has this possibility at what evolutionary point is he?
Here you have really put your finger on the sore: in fact it is not said that for a person to be clairvoyant and be able to see these bodies he is really a very evolved person, but it may simply be that this person needs that type of experience to understand something. : the famous dowry given once as a gift and that if it is misused it will be taken away, right?
Remember this: it is not necessary, it is not essential, it is not always true that people who have these faculties have a great evolution, although the person himself may think, of course, right? Georgei
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We can not help but facilitate understanding through our attention, our knowledge, our dedication. Other is not possible because the understandings that are the basis of the evolution of each one arrive only at mature times that cannot be influenced by individual wills.
Sometimes in our inquiries and questions I see just a "hunger for evolution" which at times I read as giving more space to the ego. Instead, I experience that experiences such as the meditative practice that I live most in recent times is a turning point in this sense capable of producing changes in daily behavior which is the test bed of our degree of evolution.
The fact that everything we do can have a selfish intention, pollutes everything we do, and so even the much vaunted "meditation", frankly, I don't know what value it can have. Certainly not the one attributed to it by all sides. Jiddu Krishnamurti did not speak well of it. I mean meditation as an exercise in relaxation and concentration.
However, I liked this dialogue because it clarified once more a few things about evolution. And he revealed how, unfortunately, we see all this wrong. It was also talked about in the sessions of the Cerchio Firenze 77. The masters said: “do not look for the means”! It is a topic that comes up often and looks like a dog chasing its tail. We realize that we are made a certain way and that we need to change. And the question spontaneously arises: "how to change?". Here is the mistake! The becoming! The difference between being and becoming.
I don't know if the Ifior Circle has addressed this issue. It would be interesting to see how they dealt with it.
The harmony of our Guides with the messages of the CF77 has always been evident.
As for the eternal question "how to change", the answer given is that, in the meantime, you really need to want to change (Scifo's famous phrase: if you want to change your life, change it!).
In reality, change always occurs only thanks to the understanding that it may not change the exteriority of life but certainly changes the interiority of the individual, therefore his way of facing life.
All the shortcuts that are usually sought and implemented seem to be able to pave certain paths, but in reality they do nothing but trigger thanks to the understandings reached and, therefore, make you conquer something that would have been conquered anyway.
If you do not have the necessary elements of understanding, I think that there is no technique that holds and that can force, help or push the individual to evolve.
Thank you. Beautiful answer.
I will reflect on this.
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The piece instills serenity since it clears the field of all attempts to measure, classify, judge the degree of evolution of each one. It is none of our business; our business is to live consciously.
Thank you.
Perhaps each evolutionary level has its share of fatigue and suffering. Each of us from there has to pass. So I wonder what sense does it make to want to know the evolution achieved. I believe that this is the need of an ego, which struggles to live the present for what it is.
It is certainly a need of the ego that wants to measure itself and compare itself with others.
I wondered if all these dangers could be avoided by not knowing all this. I mean, who does not believe or does not know anything about evolution, awakening, enlightenment, does not ask himself these problems and could not perhaps live more serene?
But I believe it is due to a misunderstanding. True understanding frees the individual.
Asking the question about one's own degree of evolution, I think is normal and legitimate when one embarks on a path of knowledge or spirituality. The knot is the time to which we remain attached to that idea ... so here is the difference between egoic masks and a simple question among the many that dot the path of self-knowledge.
Interesting is the reason that here explains why a guiding spirit does not reveal itself.
Finally, I fully agree with what Gian writes about the illusion of having shortcuts to reach an understanding. Thank you all…