Continue the discussion started in Absolute and relative free will [IF14].
D- Io I wanted to ask something about the possibility of choosing in the Absolute (the only free will that exists, ed). I wanted to know: for embodied people, how many lifetimes are required to arrive at this choice in the Absolute?
Look, dear, it is not possible to give a precise number as the number of incarnations that individuality carries out on its path always varies from understanding, from acceptance, from all the points we said before, for which there is a greater or lesser need to incarnate again.
We can give (as I said in the past) an average, a spectrum of the number of incarnations, and let's say that you go from 80 to 120 incarnations. Let's say that individuality, in order to complete its cycle within the physical plane, needs to incarnate from 80 to 120 times; in short, it depends on how much "big head" he is, and on how much he manages to go against the impulses of his own ego.
Q - And, after this, does the person practically no longer need to incarnate?
It no longer needs to incarnate.
Q - Do you live as a pure spirit?
It's not that simple, unfortunately. Let's say that he abandons the cycle of births and deaths, he no longer needs to have direct experiences in physical matter, in the physical plane, however his evolution it will continue still because, before arriving to merge with the Absolute, there will be other stages still to be covered. And i 50.000 years (which we said long ago) of evolution of the individual only concern the years, the time that the individual takes to complete his human incarnations on the physical plane.
D - Scifo, you said earlier whether they are 80 or 120 depends on how stubborn he is, he understands things or not, but our relative free will, which makes one experience the experience in a way rather than in else, so welcome it or oppose it, can it help? That is, the fact of accepting, the acceptance of what happens, can make one perhaps understand sooner?
Undoubtedly that is a tool, a mediator provided on purpose to the individual so that he, if he wants, can shorten his time of permanence on the physical plane and can, therefore, decrease his suffering; because you know that every misunderstanding is always, in reality, accompanied by suffering, first, until it is understood, and by joy, later, when it is understood.
Q - So the number of lives for that particular individual is variable?
It is variable, more than anything else, from an internal clock of the individual himself, they are not external causes that somehow impose… beyond the discourse of the Absolute in which everything is written, of course. This, regardless of this concept.
But, of course, there is this relative freedom of the individual that can condition his (and here there is a conditioning too, pay attention to it) greater or lesser number of incarnations. So, in a certain way, we arrive at the absurdity that relative free will is a conditioning for the individual.
Q - So it can come to not live some births and some deaths?
Certainly.
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D - But then, even this living more or less of it is already written, do you already know?
But of course, it's all written down. The individual has the illusion of living more or less. This too is an illusion, without a doubt. On the other hand, as we used to say, the drawing is already completely painted. How could you think that every brushstroke at a certain point decides to go for the facts of him? It would be a scribble and no longer a beautiful drawing as it is.
D – Allow me, Scifo. So how do you reconcile this dual aspect, which I can't unify: “I'm big head, but I can't help it because it's already written that I'm big head?
Oh no, dear. You "do not know" if it is already written that you are headstrong or if it is written that you will understand at that moment! You have to put yourself in the best position for yourself, but not so much in order to evolve or improve but simply because you know that in that way, by putting yourself in that condition, you have the possibility to undo a suffering, which you could avoid.
D - Here, this is the key: I cannot know if this is the time to be headstrong or if I can make an effort and put in the famous "good will" to go against my ego.
You need, first of all, to try to force yourself; then maybe you would understand even without making an effort!
I know this is anger though for your evolution it is necessary to get to the point of understanding that you must always put yourself in the ideal condition to be able to improve, beyond the result you will get.
And this is, perhaps, an important and difficult point to understand: you, when you approach - I don't know - our teachings, esotericism, religions, and so on, you do it to improve yourself, in view sometimes of heaven, sometimes of awareness on the Akasic plane, sometimes to obtain an enlargement of the feel and away and away and away; actually you should get to do it simply because you feel it is right, not for the purpose of getting something; because all these small doctrines that come from distant countries end up creating more problems than anything else, because even if a certain basic theory may be right, the goals they propose that then lead to err, since they propose to do something to "get" something and then they become doctrines that serve the ego.
We don't tell you to be good because you deserve heaven, we tell you to be good because you have to feel that you are, for yourselves; because the moment you feel you have been good, when you realize you have been good, you will be at peace with yourself and you will give heaven to yourself! Scifo
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Our action should be without end and without purpose: simply manifesting What Is. Exercise relative free will to modify identity motions and welcome our existential design with the least possible friction. Will and discipline I feel are indispensable to me.
The difference between “feeling” a change and “wanting” a change seems subtle but in truth it opens up to a very different way of living a spiritual path. On the one hand gratuitousness, on the other the self-interest. But it is necessary to go through all the needs of the Ego to arrive at gratuity. The two roads are not separated.
Thank you.
Feeling good can actually open heaven.
Acting without "wanting" something in return is a point of arrival, or better still of passage, of the individual's evolution. One can become aware of it once that maturity is reached but it is not possible to avoid the phases that lead there. I don't know how much one can rely on the will until one becomes aware of the evolutionary process.
Even if our life is already entirely written, it seems to me that the crux of the matter lies in what Scifo says: we do not know so we must evaluate, from time to time, which is the most appropriate choice.
Action without purpose!
How many times have I heard: but who makes you do it?
Being at peace with oneself is that state that makes one savor the union with the Absolute… .or maybe it already is.
This having to go "against the impulses of one's ego", since the ego is illusory and reflects the understanding of consciousness, does not convince me at all.
I understand the concept but I would look for more adequate, more appropriate words to express it.
What I express is an instinctive or perhaps intuitive motion. I cannot argue at length now.
thank you
I recognize that the ego gradually finds forms, more and more refined to satisfy one's need to be at the center.
But finding it is easier and easier and the attitude to operate in the free and more fluid.
Peaceful are the final words of Scifo.
In certain spiritual circles, people are concerned with knowing how many more lives they will have to live. There is an anxiety about getting to finish an uncomfortable business.
The approach given by Scifo shifts the focus from the number of lives to be lived to the need to put oneself in the position of being able to improve, not so much to strengthen a good self-image, but to do what feels right.
It is as if he were saying: We must put ourselves in a position to improve, not for the purpose of improving, but because we listen to an inner voice that pushes us to go beyond ourselves, without caring too much about the result. The result, that is the achievement of a state of peace, will happen as a consequence of our dedication.
It is interesting to know that, however, the number of lives, although it depends on our willingness to understand, is already fixed. It is a kind of paradox. I strive to do better and that effort is already foreseen. Just like in a film in which the character plays the assigned part, with his resistances or with his complacency.
And the complacency, accepting what life brings makes you slip away from the encumbrance of the incarnation more easily, precisely because the incarnation is no longer felt as a hindrance, but as the gift necessary to be able to return to God, even if already being in God.