Question - At CF77 there was the contribution of bread and wine with the words of Christ, some time later, here in the CI, io I asked if the divine essence was present in that bread and in that wine, I was answered “certainly” then he added: “look that the divine presence is in every essence of matter”.
I find a contradiction between this statement made here, which I agree with, and the fact that the bread and wine were brought there and then divided among those present and used as it is used at the level of the sacrament.
There is absolutely no contradiction in what has been said, because I was already present at the time and I felt both what happened here and what happened in Florence, because I was among the entities that followed what was happening in the Florentine circle and with this I did not say that I was among those who participated, do not make me say what I did not say.
There is no contradiction between what has been said in this area and in that area. In fact, you forget that what happened in Florence was actually a rite, and you know that a rite has a particular aspect, you forget that when the Guides intervene with their intentions and with their emissions, they are able to put something particular, a particular vibration in the objects.
As on the other hand, since ancient times, in all rites there was this possibility, this intention. The rite is done, not so much to put inside the bread and wine, in this case, the presence of God, because the presence of God is always and in any case everywhere, because otherwise it could not be said that God is the All, how much to focus the attention of all present on that symbol that becomes in that moment the bread and the wine, the symbol of this union, of this participation, to which the Guides have united their energies and those present will unite their energies, perhaps eating a few crumbs of that bread. It is a kind, as we can say, of passing the baton, it is a kind of enjoying together the same privilege, the same awareness that what one is putting inside oneself is a part of God. It is an awareness of this. Georgei
D - But God is also in the bread.
You know, my dear, that God, by definition, is He who All Is, the Absolute, the fact that it is said is the All, is Omnipresent, it means that God is present in everything, that this thing is a person, an animal, a plant, an object doesn't change anything.
If you then accept the speech that the Guides make onevolution, and that each of you was first a mineral and then a vegetable and then an animal to finally be a man and get to rediscover being God, because it always has been, but if it has always been it means that it has always been. ever since it was a mineral, which means that God was also present in the mineral. Georgei
D - Yes, but we make the objects, we use them, we break them.
You also make children, you make them grow, sometimes you break them, sometimes you ruin them and so on and yet they are always a part of God the same.
Even the flowers, you make them grow, you cut them and put them in the vase, you let them wither and then you throw them in the garbage, but they too are always part of God.
Certainly according to a certain perspective, certain conditioning of religion to which you are accustomed, only that is beautiful is part of God, it appears beautiful and seems to magnify it; from that point of view it is more normal that what is beautiful is part of God: nature, great sunsets and so on, but in reality even the things that are ugly are part of God, because they are his emanation, because they are his ways to provoke certain reactions, to help, to make the means to evolve available to his creatures.
Everything is God, even the worst thing you can think of. Georgei
Q - About this I wanted to ask: if during the consecration rite the individual is not pure, does not participate with purity, but does it as if it were his profession, does the rite take place anyway?
This is an interesting question: let's say that there is the rite, there are those who officiate the rite and there are those who receive the rite, now you ask if this rite is valid even if the officiants are somehow habitual who do the rite. something now out of habit, so without much respect, a great desire to do it, a lot of awareness of what they are doing ..
Well, yes, at least yes for those people who are participating in that moment, they are observing it, they are there to receive because they believe in what they are doing, but not because the officiant puts it in the rite, but because it comes from themselves.
For each of those who believe in what is happening, the rite has value and returns to those who believe with greater force and giving them greater vigor.
Not only that, but sometimes it can also happen that you indirectly help others.
All the trappings that accompany the ritual are all scenic embellishments, more than anything else; I remember a case in my day of a country priest who, after drinking the wine from the chalice before the rite, then put water in it, he always did it but all those who participated did not know it and for them the rite had value. same. Georgei
Q - So everything could be a ritual, even eating a piece of bread or drinking a glass of water alone?
Yes of course, but everything can lead us to the awareness of being part of God, even sexual intercourse itself can be a ritual, everything, everything that surrounds you if done with awareness becomes a ritual, in that moment. Georgei
D - Sorry could you give us an explanation of the term rite, because I personally confuse it with something magical, with a ritual, is it an evocation of forces?
No, it is putting oneself in vibration with the energies of the Whole, it is being able to reach that resonance we were talking about this evening with the other energies, being able in some way, even if only for a moment, to vibrate in unison with reality that surrounds the individual. Georgei
D - This confirms the importance of religions for some time, until the achievement of universal religion where there will be no need for many altars because the world itself will be an altar.
But without a doubt, the more the individual will always be in an eternal ritual, the more religions will no longer make sense of existing, and not only that but they will no longer have the possibility of capturing the faithful to acquire power, so at that point each individual will be the religion itself. [...]
The rite has a meaning for those who perform it and for the symbology it attributes to the various components; fire has always been considered synonymous with life, a sign of light that drives away darkness, that drives away illusions and the veil of Maya, the candle has always been a magical symbol of light that breaks the fear of the night and therefore, without a doubt, the individual who has this heritage in his evolution sees a particular meaning in the use of these symbols, meaning that, perhaps, for others it has no value, but if he believes in these meanings it is he himself who gives this strength to the act he is carrying out.
It is a bit of the speech of people who are sick and declared incurable and who, instead, beyond what any doctor can expect, recover and it is not possible to understand how; this is because the individual truly believed he could heal and was able to do so. It is a Grace that he made himself, and not others, because (if we want to keep the teaching of the Guides intact, and I hope so) if it is true that the law of karma exists and if it is written that the individual must pass through a certain illness to understand something, then no one from the outside can take away his karma, because no one can deny him the possibility of understanding, no one must be able to deny him the possibility of understanding. On the other hand, it is the individual himself, by understanding, who can change this karma and, therefore, no longer suffer the disease. Georgei
Q - And the healings performed by the Madonna?
The healings attributed to Our Lady are considered as such because we do not realize that we ourselves are capable of doing such a thing; of course, there can be an entity that helps, yes, without a doubt (as there is always, in all cases, someone near, at least the Spirit Guide) however it cannot intervene if the individual does not come to awareness, otherwise it ruins its evolutionary path. Georgei
My Father, I cannot understand: there is something that is not clear; daddy, take care of me feel: here we have to make things clear: these so-called emissaries of yours are talking about the grape!
They come to say to me: "Listen, Zifed, my dear, it is useless for you to think that you have been given grace, because you have given grace by yourself!" and this is nothing, they tell me: "No one will be able to take the karma you go through off your path, only you, understanding, can do it!" and they still tell me: "When a rite is celebrated in which one tries to get in touch with the Absolute even if the one who celebrates the rite breaks the bread and then, perhaps, throws it behind the altar, or drops the wine or , while he is celebrating it, perhaps think of the perpetual, it does not matter, because it is enough that you believe in it and there, in that moment there is God! ”.
But then excuse me, God, take away a curiosity (provided that you are there, because right now I believe in it but precisely because they told me, not because I really feel you) what need, at this point, is there for you is? None!
Indeed, I could say even more and I can almost say it with some certainty, I could say ... that I'm not part of You, but You are part of me ... yes, yes ... that's true ... but how stupid I am: what changes?
My father, I have not yet understood anything! Zifed
Il Pdf of some words of Francois, Cerchio Firenze 77, on the theme of the rite.
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Interesting.
Thank you.
Many ideas to reflect on the ritual.
Thank you!
This post is really clarifying, after the proposal to share, as a community, the bread and wine.
Interesting and clarifying