The topic at a glance
If observed from the point of view of becoming, the discourse of the 80/120 incarnations on the part of the individuality to arrive at understanding its true nature, has a meaning; but observed from the other point of view, from that of truth Be, it doesn't matter, absolutely.
[…] And here we can insert the discourse of 80/120 lives; in fact the question that tormented her was this: “But why are there those who make their evolutionary path within the physical plane in 80 lives and why, perhaps, there are those who do it in 120?”.
[…] Let's say it is mainly related to how much the individuality that is incarnated manages to overcome the archetype it is experiencing; in how long, in how many incarnations he can do it. In the meantime, this is one of the elements that differentiates (along with many others: some we have seen and others we will see later) that give a different climb to theevolution from individuality to individuality.
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[…] D - Yes, but it doesn't answer my question; because, if everything is written, this has nothing to do ...
But your question can only be answered when, after this speech, it will be possible to try to make you understand not only in words but with a logical reasoning, with a logical consequence, how to sum up everything we have said so far so that you understand. , and not only accept, that in reality the whole discourse of the 80/100/120 lives it is an illusory speech; that you connote the 80 or 120 lives many times as a merit or a demerit, and in the meantime it is not ...
There are those who connote it as a punishment to make 120 or a merit to make 80, and this is absolutely not the case; and in reality what, alas, I should arrive - together with the other brothers - to make you understand is that even the discourse of immersion in matter and reincarnation is an illusion; what do you want" you only theoretically immerse yourself in matter but in reality you are like actors watching what goes on below.
It is not you, yourself, who are living the lives you are living; what you live is a representation that it exists because you are looking at it at that moment, but that if you look around for a moment you can see another representation and, if you wish or if you feel it right, or if you have the need or the need, you can immerse yourself in that other representation, which is in a a different era perhaps, which has a different sex perhaps from the one you had in the first representation, which has different ways of expressing itself, which has different ways of reacting and which, for you who live it, it is always you; yet that too is an illusion.
So, if we look from the point of view of becoming, from your point of view, from where you are immersed, the discourse of the 80/120 incarnations by the individuality to get to understand its true nature has a numerical sense, but observed from the other point of view, from the point of your true Self that observes and reads books of 80/120 lives it doesn't matter, absolutely.
D - During your life can you come to have this perception of the fact that you see yourself living, that is, can you feel this thing?
Yup.
Q - And this should be liberating or can it cause you to worry? That is, this feeling of never fully adhering ... I don't know how to explain it well ...
Yes, I understand what you mean. It certainly can cause restlessness; can cause disquiet especially when the feel he is not yet ready to accept such a conception.
D - Why io I often have this thing, but it is not liberating as for those who may already be more ... That is, there are people who live it more serenely and who, thanks to that, reach a detachment in a positive sense; an indifference that no longer upsets him so much for what is happening.
Mah! Apart from the fact that I said "it may be" but I did not say that it is your case (I would not want to be misunderstood), it may actually be, it may happen that the individual realizes that he is simply a spectator of his own life too (because this is the meaning of what you were asking for), but there may also be other causes, equally important. The important thing, at that point, for the individual is not - as you said - to become indifferent to what is happening and not even to live with detachment what is happening, but to try to understand if it is a real detachment or if it is only a defense mechanism.
[...] The famous "absence of desires” of buddha memory is certainly a state of bliss, but it can also be a way to escape reality and the task of the observer himself is precisely that of arriving at understanding when it is a case and when it is the other, otherwise – as it often happens – it's easy to take refuge in these more or less exotic, more or less illuminating theories, in order to obtain a fictitious alternative reality that somehow creates an additional “I” on the I you already possess; with the result, clearly, of then leading to new disappointments and new sufferings
[…] Q - Why is there an individuality that makes it in 80 lives?
Because that little fractionation of the Absolute (virtual, ed) that at that moment belongs to that individuality is following that path, but the same part of the Absolute that is united with that fraction of individuality meanwhile completes another path, in which life is much longer.
D - But then it completely takes away from us, it seems to me, the sense of responsibility, to get busy!
Absolutely, indeed. This is not possible that it can be taken away from you because you, being that small part of the Absolute, are not aware of it in reality.
You, however it may be, beyond our speeches, of the fact that mentally you can get closer to understanding in a minimal part what we say, you continue to live in the matter and as much as you immerse yourself (for example) in the study of our words, before or then existence kicks you in the shins and reminds you that you are in the process of becoming and that what you are living is always important and true for you.
[...] We already said some time ago: "But if everything is an illusion, if everything you see around you is an illusion, then is there something that exists, or does not exist, when you are on the physical plane?”, And we had come together - if I remember correctly - to establish that physical reality, and not just physical, has its own consistency, its own shape, its own reality (albeit with a lowercase" r ").
This physical reality is a part of what I have defined "technology”, But the environment is not so easily identifiable; the environment is not only (as you have said) the physical or physiological part of the environment that surrounds you.
There is a social environment - you said - a psychological environment, a cultural environment, a climatic environment, but there is more: there is a emotional environment, there's a mental environment; there is even - as we had recently seen some time ago - a genetic environment.
Now, if all these components of what can be defined as environment have their own reality of existence, it means that there is a necessity for their existence, otherwise they would not exist, and they must necessarily exist beyond the fact that there is an incarnated race. on the planet otherwise, if it were not so, if all the men of the planet at this moment disappeared from the face of the Earth, none of this would exist anymore.
Instead you know - due to the astronomical observations you make - that there are, in any case, other planets even where you think that there is no type of life, therefore no type of race in evolution at this moment; therefore, undoubtedly, an external environment in itself always exists.
Now, what we have to try (later, of course, not tonight) to understand, is how this set of elements of the environment in which the race goes to incarnate comes to influence the way of incarnation of the race and comes to affect the Akasic matter; in particular on one of these tools that we have mentioned this evening and which are essential for the development of the evolutionary process of the race, namely the archetypes.
We must therefore come to ask ourselves how much influence the environment has on the evolutionary process, then examine on the contrary what we did in the previous meeting and see from below, from the plane of denser matter how much this matter denser than the densest plane comes to influence, to be important for the evolutionary path of the race. Scifo
The conception of time feels linear and even if we have learned to doubt it, some passages are rather difficult. For example: "... but that if you look around for a moment you can see another representation and, if you wish or if you feel it right, or if you have the need or the need, you can immerse yourself in that other representation, which maybe he's in a different era, maybe he has a different sex ... "
This seems to me to go far beyond the simultaneity between becoming and Being.
It is interesting to note that as far as we are aware of the illusory of becoming we are "forced", due to the incarnation itself, to "believe" in becoming. A complex question full of implications.
Thank you.
If being immersed in the subject helps us to experience and understand that reality is an illusion, I accept it as a teaching. If it were easy to understand it, we would live without suffering, we would be detached from everything, even if we see ourselves acting in the plane of becoming.
I have known these concepts for a long time, too
the illusion seems to me to be reality.
With respect to reincarnations, the difference in the number of lives is not clear to me
for each, but it doesn't seem like a problem to me.