D - I can do io a question to the Teacher Moti? So why am I on the astral (if I am, boh... Am I on the astral?) Time seems to me like it did when I was on the physical plane!
You're coming to your aid, dear son Willy (Willy is a disincarnate and sometimes he intervenes in the sessions of the CI, ed), of the other brothers who somehow asked themselves the same question. And in this way you force me to talk about real time and subjective time ... Weather
You yourselves realize (I felt for example that you were talking about it yesterday) that there is a difference in the perception of time already within the physical plane, as the same situation to different people at different times can give the impression of being longer. or shorter then be lived at different times.
Certainly, according to the external, standard method you have of measuring time, the action itself always has the same time, the same duration, divided into seconds, minutes, hours.
However, according to the subjectivation of each of you, an action can actually be (or actually seem) more or less long. This happens because the influence of the other bodies of existence comes into play; therefore, the diversity of the astral plane, of the astral time, or the diversity of mental time, comes into play.
This is how an emotionally lived experience, therefore guided mainly by the astral plane, will usually have a faster pace, it will be lived faster which is nothing more than a translation, a rationalization according to the mind of the embodied individual, of the whirling of speed. of matter and reactions within the astral plane. I don't know if I was able to explain myself. Weather
D - Not at all.
The friend was very kind.
D - I'm sorry, but here I don't follow you anymore.
So, let's start again: the astral plane, if you could observe it according to your method of conceiving time, would seem to you a complete chaos; a continuous and very fast whirling of images, sensations, of material that is transformed.
You can understand this, can't you?
Now, when you live a strongly emotional experience (which as you know therefore involves your astral body mainly, agree on this?) The influence of the sensations, of the perceptions of your astral body comes into play; and as your astral body perceives in astral modalities, the perception will become fast, it will become chaotic, vivid, very eventful, okay?
Now, however, since you live in the physical plane and therefore rationalize these perceptions, try to bring them closer to your way of life, to your physical habits; you can not do anything else, at that point that, as I said, rationalize the perceptions of your astral plane.
Rationalizing them means giving a duration of time according to your meter, okay? And your meter is slower, less immediate than the astral one. This is how the situation you see will seem lived with a temporal difference compared to what reality is, thanks to the influence of these astral perceptions.
Did you understand?
D - So it is the characteristic of each plane that influences ours, the so-called time ..
Certainly yes, and you then rationalize and thus live the subjective time in living situations; just as you then have subjective time, for example, in mentally living situations; sometimes you read a book, and a page seems to never end, sometimes you read a book and the page ends in an instant; this too is due to the encounter-clash between the perception of time and your mental body, and the rationalization of these impulses that arrive from the mental body.
But we also respond to our friend Willy, who otherwise feels excluded!
Because, on the other hand, in his case he has the impression, the sensation of living the same kind of time that he lived when he was on the physical plane; this was the question son?
Let's see what answer you could give to our friend? ...
[…] Let's say that our friend Willy lives his experience on the astral plane, from within the astral plane, made up of astral matter, and with the activity of his astral perceptions.
Then he receives the astral time as normal, sees it and experiences it from the inside according to the senses that perceive it as if it were normal, not in contrast as an astral body that makes him live a different subjective time.
In reality, dear friend Willy, if you thought about it for a moment, you would realize that when you meditate and try to meditate or understand some aspects of your interiority, it still happens that time dilates, or shortens for a moment. Did you notice this?
This is because, based on what I said earlier, your mental body actually has a different time and therefore still affects your astral body. But since you still live in the astral under the influence of desires, sensations, your desires, your sensations, have a normal flow with respect to astral matter, and this normal flow of these desires, these sensations, make you perceive normal time according to your position, it is true, according to your being within the astral plane, do you understand?
D - I understand, thanks.
Q - Is it like saying that he is relative to himself?
Certainly. Remember that the awareness of you changes according to the place, the plane of existence in which it is located. What is normal for the awareness of the individual on the physical plane becomes abnormal for the other planes of existence, with respect to the other planes of existence.
Thus the conscious individual on the mental plane will experience the still different time in the mental plane as a normal flow with respect to himself.
D - So I am here, I am aware of what I am doing, of what I listen to, I try to understand what I am taught, I try to make it mine, in the sense, precisely to be aware of what I am told, but in the meanwhile what is happening, what can happen in the astral plane, in the mental plane?
In the meantime, try to fix yourself in mind the difference between plane and bodyotherwise you really end up not really understanding anything anymore.
The fact is that whoever has the emotions or desires is not you, it is your mental body, it is your astral body; whoever thinks is not your physical body, it is your mental body; this is the perspective that must change your way of seeing things.
You have to try to come, a little at a time, to understand that your physical body is only the terminal to which what comes from other bodies bounces.
The difficulty you experience at times is precisely this, because while you try to understand from within the physical plane, in the meantime behind you there are the other bodies that are working and probably have already understood, they have already arrived at a certain understanding. But this understanding has to go around, it has to go through the astral body, get to the mental body, bounce off the akasic, and from this come back down to return to your physical plane, in order to bring you back to an action.
And this mechanism that seems so complex, so convoluted, so complicated, that it causes you many times problems of understanding: being used to considering one's existence in the physical plane and in the physical body as the basis of everything certainly causes difficulties. .
If you see, even among each of you there are differences, apparently, in the speed of understanding things, right? There are those who seem to understand faster and there are those who seem to understand less quickly, even the simplest things; in reality this is only an appearance, because the one who understands, and I repeat it again, is not your physical body, it is not it that manifests that it has understood or not, but it is your mental body.
The fact that then the understanding seems to arrive late, compared to another individual, this is due to the fact that in the return of understanding from the mental body to the physical body, this return back of understanding, which is then an energy, a vibration, finds obstacles in crossing for example the astral body because there are desires, tensions, passions, which block this passage of vibrations, and here then because of these knots, these traumas, these complexes, which exist for example on the astral plane, understanding on the physical plane, comes late, and from the observer from the physical plane it seems that the individual is late, for example, to understand.
But it is the manifestation of understanding that delays, not understanding.
What I meant is this: if you reread when we talked about individuals who have situations we say, in quotation marks, physically abnormal, who are apparently handicapped, or who have serious physical problems, which are even, as I mentioned earlier, autistic people, therefore apparently excluded from contact with the rest of the world.
Here's what happens in these cases?
We had said that in reality the individual embodied in a body that has these problems, he makes his experiences the same, accumulates the same experience, okay?
But this in the light of what we have said before is evident since the physical body certainly has these problems, but the one who feels desires is the astral body, the one who thinks, the one who thinks about what happens is the mental body.
So, for example, that person may seem not to understand, but his mental body has actually understood the things that happenthen there is the response, the arrival of the response to the physical plane which is slow or does not come pure, so there is no expression of this understanding.
However, in reality, his mental part has understood, as in all other cases. And this, moreover, is the way in which individuality can experience and thus advance in theevolution even though he does not have a physical body which seems to lend itself to this kind of advancement. Weather
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Truly enlightening text, which moves reflection in many directions. Thank you.
I try to summarize, to see if I understand some steps. So one lives on the physical plane, with the physical, astral, mental body. Leaving the physical plane for the astral, one continues to perceive the astral and mental bodies. Finally, leaving the astral plane, one perceives the mental plane and so on, the other spiritual planes. Our bodies continue to acquire understandings regardless of how much these understandings emerge in the awareness, proper to the mental plane, therefore for evolution it is not what we understand that is decisive, but living the experience, which will translate into new understandings, regardless of what the mind understands.
If so, I feel comforted.
You understood perfectly!
I understand that what I feel as a delay in understanding is due to an elaboration that must pass through the various planes before manifesting itself in the physical one. It is therefore a process that like all processes requires a period of transition, as if a decantation had to be awaited for clarity to arise on the physical plane which is the last step and which leads to manifestation.
It occurs to me that through this process, whose development is conditioned by the presence of knots, that harmonization between the various bodies takes place ... or not?
I really believe that it is.
Really enlightening. even if I had already read in their texts, I did not remember so clearly Moti's exposition.
Today, while we were doing some work in the countryside, my 21-year-old nephew wondered how it was possible that plants feel pain since they have no brain and it is in the brain, or in the central nervous system, that certain stimuli are processed.
I immediately invited him to consider that there are other planes besides the physical one but I stopped there and it was still difficult to understand certain things. Thank you.