The doctor may present himself with this problem: what is the limit beyond which it is good not to go into the treatment of a symptom? This is a difficult question to answer, also because it is not possible to generalize.
I would say that it depends not so much on the patient as on the sensitivity of the doctor to realize what is best for the patient.
When there are cases in which certain pains of the patient are well tolerated, in the end, they can really serve to understand; there are other cases in which, however, the pain is such that the patient is overwhelmed and therefore cannot derive any benefit, at least as long as the pain remains at those levels; therefore, it is perfectly right, then, to intervene at a medical level.
On the other hand, the doctor is a doctor to heal and to cure and he cannot even ask himself the question: “I heal this person, I don't heal this other person because I think that…”; it would become really difficult to manage being a doctor in this way.
So the doctor can do nothing but try to cure everything he can cure.
D - Sorry ... the doctor actually doesn't cure anything! The doctor eliminates the symptoms.
D - Let's not talk nonsense! I was just saying that an integral part of the medical profession is taking an interest in the totality of his patient; and then try - if he has problems - to solve them: nothing but stories!
D - You can help ... but only the individual can eliminate the causes that made him manifest a disease.
D - But often understanding also helps the therapy of symptoms and also helps diseases to heal better.
Unfortunately, the doctor is often not offered the opportunity to understand the patient ...
D - But it is the sick person who must understand himself!
The sick person goes to the doctor because he needs help; he expects to be helped! It is a way to understand and, if he did not want to understand, he would not even go to the doctor ...
D - Would you try to solve the disease on your own ...
No, it just wouldn't solve it; he would roll into his victimization, happy to have a way to show how bad he is in front of others and thus attract the attention of others. When the individual goes to the doctor, it is because he feels that it is time to get out of a situation that is disturbing him; and that he's ready to get out of it, actually.
And then think, dear, a little thing: it could also be, simply, that the individual must understand that he must know how to ask for help from others ...
D - Maybe it's a question related to mine personality, to my personal experience: when I had ailments, problems, I did not dream of going to a doctor to say "Give me a cure", for the fact, in fact, that I knew I had to take care of it on my own, because the cause that had given me this dysfunction, this disease, was to be found within myself.
Maybe it's a bit simplistic ...
D - Some, who die of pneumonia, do the same reasoning ...
D - It is clear: it was not a symptom so psychosomatized as to give me a disease of this kind! I had ailments, I was sick ... in the belly, I could not sleep, that's it: more psychological symptoms than diseases.
Anyway ... Okay: psychosomatism 90%, 99% or 100%; this speech is fine. However, do not forget that there is a reality external to you that acts - or tries to act - on you.
No doubt you can always be considered psychosomatic when you allow it to work. Agree?
However, there are viruses, there are external causes, which can be defeated. If indeed this weakness, for example, towards viruses could be psychosomatic, then, without a doubt, the individual will find another way to release his psychosomatism; which may simply be a momentary lack of defense capacity on the part of the organism.
You know that consuming a lot of energy causes imbalances, for example; you know that the chakras are not always balanced in emitting or absorbing energies; here this causes - or can provoke - in the physical body of the individual imbalances and, therefore, one less reactivity towards what it seeks, from the outside, to affect the body.
D - So not only in terms of viruses, but also of environmental, professional situations ...
D - Sorry, Scifo, can I ask you for a very practical example of something that happened to me? Io I had a pain in my shoulder, a terrible pain, very strong, it didn't move anymore ...
Did you have to take the bus ?!
D - I don't take buses, however, it was a symptom that I didn't want to do something, to do with my arms in short; was it a symptom for that?
But, maybe, if you covered yourself a little more, sometimes, you wouldn't have certain symptoms ...
D - Well, I went to the hospital, but the emergency room doctor gave me pranotherapy; and twice I was healed perfectly. What does it mean?
That you wanted to get better!
Q - So the speech was functional to the fact of having caught cold? Or is the fact of catching cold also psychosomatism?
We have to see why you wanted to punish yourself by taking a cold!
D - I understand… thanks.
I am doing the psychoanalyst in a nutshell: as it is possible to explain everything with everything, especially as regards psychoanalysis… you, in the speeches you have made today, however, have already talked about what I wanted to talk about; so I'll get away with it quickly, as you talked about condensation as the mechanism of the individual.
Do you remember when you talked about it, creatures, or are you so unaware that you didn't even realize it?
What does my "antagonist" know? You talked about it if I'm not mistaken ...
D - I don't know ... I'm unaware!
So what is the condensation... let's see ... Francesco (an entity, ed)? A nice definition of condensation
D - As far as I remember, it is a dream mechanism, through which several dream elements and thoughts are condensed into a single dream image...
All right. I would say that's fair enough. And that's exactly what you said today when you said that multiple symptoms condense on the same target organ, No?
Another of the typical mechanisms of the unconscious is it shift, and we have talked about this abundantly, it seems to me, creatures, when we were speaking precisely of the symptom, which does not manifest itself through a particular organ, but ends up on a different organ: therefore it moves from one organ to another.
Another mechanism can be the repression... say something Francesco, since he is so good.
D- Repression is a symptom inhibition mechanism, for example, of a thought, of an emotion; attempt to eliminate them from consciousness. We need to see what we are referring to: if it refers to a symptom, an attempt to eliminate a symptom; if it refers to a thought, an attempt to eliminate this thought from consciousness, from awareness ...
And the removal?
D - Repression is an unconscious mechanism: the individual does not realize it e he tries not to bring to awareness what is bothering him...
Then a repression and repression are actually two essential mechanisms for the birth of psychosomatisms, as what you have inside and are unable to understand, manifests itself through a psychosomatism, precisely because, without realizing it, you try to repress and remove what it wants to bring to your attention, to your understanding.
This because? Because, most likely, your ego, if he were to notice these elements, these factors, he would realize that he is not that great creature he thinks he is. So you see, as regards these mechanisms - without going into the merits of all the mechanisms, more or less large, more or less small, mentioned by our good Freud - that they can be important enough to understand what happens when we speak of psychosomatism.
We therefore give credit to the good Sigmund, for having, once and for all, indicated and registered these mechanisms.
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D - I wanted to ask you: a psychosomatic symptom is not necessarily visible in the physical, even if it seems to me a contradiction in terms; a person is not necessarily somatizing in actual pain in an organ, in a limb, and so on; however it can also manifest itself on a more psychic level, that is, confusional, alteration of some kind. Above all the discourse of repression: wanting to remove a cause, because the ego prefers not to hear it clearly, but wants to hide it, can't it also manifest itself with other things less evident than toothache or pain in one place or another?
Well, those aren't necessarily symptoms, they're effects of what's happening.
Q - Does it no longer become psychosomatism, it becomes only a psychic disorder, then?
Psychosomatism implies a physiological suffering…
Q - And panic attacks, what can they be?
Panic attacks are certainly symptoms, coming from that target organ which is the brain.
Q - What can they make you understand, if you are scared and you can't even live?
Meanwhile, by analyzing your fear, you can see in which direction you are scared; what is it that scares you ...
D - Sorry, Scifo ... has the 1% that is not psychosomatic been explained?
It has been explained, yes! You will read it somewhere ...
Q - Is it the one related to the variants?
Yup.
D - Somewhere, in a book, I read that man can only progress in his human journey through suffering (I seem to have understood). Can he progress in the same way - and even more - with a peaceful life, in harmony with other people?
Suffering - we always say - is the ultimate weapon that the Absolute has to induce understanding, to force the individual to walk towards understanding.
It is not strictly necessary and indispensable to suffer: the individual can live his life quiet, more or less serene (certainly everyone, always and in any case, will have problems), but without great suffering, without major traumas, however, to advance and understand the same. There is therefore - I repeat - no need for suffering.
But no one asked me a question, which in my opinion could have had important developments and which I leave you before saying goodbye. We have talked about this poor psychosomatism in negative terms; but does positive psychosomatism exist (I know you don't care, because you prefer to suffer!)?
Since we have some kind of theory, does the other side of the coin exist?
Is there a psychosomatism - I repeat - positive, a symptom of happiness, of joy, of cheerfulness, of lightheartedness, of good humor, of love and on and on and on?
D - Sure ... yes ... sure ...
Answering “sure” is too easy: motivate it for the next time. Scifo
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Interesting. It refers to knowing yourself as a possibility of healing or prevention. I was aware of it, but here some aspects have become clear to me.
A deepening of psychomatisms that sheds new light on the possibility of investigating oneself.
To reread and internalize.
Thank you.
Complex topic, numerous clarifying points. Thank you
It seems to me that Metamedicine can give excellent starting points for reflections on the symbolic reading of the symptom and therefore also help in solving it. It is clear that Western Medicine as it is structured presents crazy gaps and it would be desirable for the Doctor who takes care of a patient, in good ability to see the individual and her history as a whole.
I report the case of a friend of mine: for 7 years of marriage she could not have children, they both made all the checks and there was nothing abnormal. Then suddenly, without the help of any kind of medical treatment, she became pregnant. From the first ultrasound it was seen that the children were 3 in 3 distinct bags. The gynecologist then commented: her unconscious of her knew that she would face a difficult pregnancy and took time until she felt ready to face the event.
She gave birth in the 9th month with great joy and serenity! Oa is a grandmother and very proud of her three wonderful children!
This can be an example of a psychosomatic that leads to joy and love
Nothing new but still much to ruminate ...
After all these encounters on psychosomatisms I am managing to understand something and my psychosomatic disorder is gone
You must never let your guard down,
It also refers to me to know yourself, for a better life.